etymology - Meaning of "couple o' pins" in this poem by Tolkien


Here's part of a poem from Tolkien:



'For a couple o' pins,' says Troll, and grins,
'I'll eat thee too, and gnaw thy shins.
A bit o' fresh meat will go down sweet!
I'll try my teeth on thee now.



When you check up the meaning of "pin" in a dictionary, here is the usual definition (all the following definitions are from Google):



a thin piece of metal with a sharp........



The usage in the poem definitely has nothing to do with the previous definition. I suspect it has to be either this:



a person's legs.



Or this:



a half-firkin cask for beer. (British)



It could easily be neither of those as well. So folks, do you have anything to offer ? What does "a couple o' pins" mean in this context ?



Answer



I think this may be a variation on the BrE expression "for two pins", which means:



At the slightest provocation; for the smallest reason.
Farlex Dictionary of Idioms (via TFD)



I assume that "pins" here refers to the type used in sewing or another practically worthless type of pin.


The earliest attestation of this idiom that I found so far is from 1890:



For two pins I'd put a match in every gunyah on the place.
The Squatter's Dream: A Story of Australian Life



Here's another early example from The Times (London, 1794):



I'll blow you up for a sodomite, for two pins.





There are other, older idioms where pins are worthless (note that the expression most likely refers to pins made of wood or bone, not metal). "Not worth a pin", "wouldn't care a pin", etc.:



He seide al þat he had ywonne
Jn þe werlde vnder sonne,
He nolde ȝiue þere-of a pynne,
Bot he miȝth þise wynne.


He said all that he had won
In the world under the sun,
He wouldn't give thereof a pin,
If he might win this.
Kyng Alisaunder



See 9. b for more quotes (and a definition) from Middle English.


It was even used by Shakespeare:



A round hose, madam, now's not worth a pin.
The Two Gentlemen of Verona





It's worth mentioning that I found the exact same expression "for a couple o' pins" in:



  • The Leisure Hour (1904):



    • [F]or a couple o' pins I'd shteam-rowl yez under the two feet o' me.






  • The chimney corner (1879):



    • See now, for a couple o' pins I'd take both yerself an' the little sweep ye call 'John' to the lock-ups!







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